80% of the time, according to AA statistics. Only 20% recover from alcoholism.
But there are functional and non-functional and I believe the statistic noted above relates to people who have lost complete control over their own lives.
To your point about the DNA, I read some research that shows there's pretty much a 1-1 correspondence with how long a culture has been exposed to alcohol and its number of alcoholics. The idea seems to be that in cultures that have had alcohol for a long time, it's already killed any who genetically couldn't process it without harm, and the genes causing the failure have been eliminated over time. In a shorter time of exposure, that process is still ongoing. So cultures like China, the Mediterranean area, the Middle East and so on that have had alcohol in some form for millennia, have fewer alcoholics. Others like Native Americans who have only been exposed for a few hundred years have massive problems with it. And it seems that among Native Americans, the number of alcoholics increases with the northern tribes like the Inuit who have an even shorter exposure than the more southerly tribes. Interestingly, the Meso-American area tribes, having traditionally had beer, have lower numbers. The alcoholic predisposition also includes the Irish at a lesser rate. Apparently, alcoholism (alcohol being similar to a sugar) seems to be related to the inability to process high levels of carbohydrate/sugars, resulting in high rates of diabetes also in less exposed groups. There are obviously many drinkers who aren't genetically predisposed to be alcoholics but drink for emotional reasons and are unable to stop. For either condition, it seems abstinence is necessary to heal. We do need programs that deal better, because currently, as you pointed out, most alcoholics don't recover. It's a very nasty disease, as is diabetes. I don't mean to give short shrift to that.
I’m Christian (not catholic), but I would never say alcoholism is a form of demonic possession.
With all the mis/dis info we’ve had over the last century and more, I don’t even know if they’ve (medical profession) got genetics as far as diseases go correct.
My son contracted type one insulin dependent diabetes mellitus(juvenile diabetes-not the type 2 where people are overweight) at the age of 12. All the medicos asked if we had it in our families-NO.
It wasn’t until covid that I realised he got it from childhood vaccines. So not genetic. I knew a lady in her 30’s I’m guessing, she was type one diabetic, and said her and her husband had decided not to have kids, as she was worried about them getting diabetes. A few years later, this lady had died. Not from diabetes-from Covid vaxes ! (I’m Aussie btw, just for context)
Often it’s hard for them to sober up and accept what they have done.
80% of the time, according to AA statistics. Only 20% recover from alcoholism.
But there are functional and non-functional and I believe the statistic noted above relates to people who have lost complete control over their own lives.
Not all alcoholics are like that.
Because they have no agency, that's why. We're talking about stuff that is genetically hardwired, like muscular dystrophy, etc.
Christians and other religious folks will tell you that it is a form of demonic possession.
We need to better understand the role of DNA as a circuitboard between the physical and non-physical aspects of human beings.
To your point about the DNA, I read some research that shows there's pretty much a 1-1 correspondence with how long a culture has been exposed to alcohol and its number of alcoholics. The idea seems to be that in cultures that have had alcohol for a long time, it's already killed any who genetically couldn't process it without harm, and the genes causing the failure have been eliminated over time. In a shorter time of exposure, that process is still ongoing. So cultures like China, the Mediterranean area, the Middle East and so on that have had alcohol in some form for millennia, have fewer alcoholics. Others like Native Americans who have only been exposed for a few hundred years have massive problems with it. And it seems that among Native Americans, the number of alcoholics increases with the northern tribes like the Inuit who have an even shorter exposure than the more southerly tribes. Interestingly, the Meso-American area tribes, having traditionally had beer, have lower numbers. The alcoholic predisposition also includes the Irish at a lesser rate. Apparently, alcoholism (alcohol being similar to a sugar) seems to be related to the inability to process high levels of carbohydrate/sugars, resulting in high rates of diabetes also in less exposed groups. There are obviously many drinkers who aren't genetically predisposed to be alcoholics but drink for emotional reasons and are unable to stop. For either condition, it seems abstinence is necessary to heal. We do need programs that deal better, because currently, as you pointed out, most alcoholics don't recover. It's a very nasty disease, as is diabetes. I don't mean to give short shrift to that.
Excellent observations here, with which I agree, wholeheartedly.
I’m Christian (not catholic), but I would never say alcoholism is a form of demonic possession.
With all the mis/dis info we’ve had over the last century and more, I don’t even know if they’ve (medical profession) got genetics as far as diseases go correct.
My son contracted type one insulin dependent diabetes mellitus(juvenile diabetes-not the type 2 where people are overweight) at the age of 12. All the medicos asked if we had it in our families-NO.
It wasn’t until covid that I realised he got it from childhood vaccines. So not genetic. I knew a lady in her 30’s I’m guessing, she was type one diabetic, and said her and her husband had decided not to have kids, as she was worried about them getting diabetes. A few years later, this lady had died. Not from diabetes-from Covid vaxes ! (I’m Aussie btw, just for context)
Wow. Very interesting and excellent observations, here, too. Thank you!
Thank YOU, A.B.! You’re too kind!